I have decided to create a WikiProject for U.S. States, to show what one might look like (I am hoping I have understood User:Manning Bartlett's proposal.) I have provided below my suggestions on how U.S. States are to be organized; but if anyone feels something below should be changed, feel free to do so. -- User:Simon J Kissane
Simon - this is excellent! MB
Thanks. I already wrote most of it a few days ago, when I discovered an article on Delaware that said little more than "a state made famous by Wayne's World". I decided then that maybe we needed some guidelines on exactly what should be in the articles :) -- User:Simon J Kissane
Simon--Very exciting... I have been trying for a while to get Michigan into shape, then I stumbled on this (should have looked more thoroughly at the outset... anyway), so I am very happy that you are taking charge. I hope I can help. My first question: what should the convention be for creating city entries within the state entries? Should it be:
with a specific entry for that specific town, delineated by Name and then State
And have a super entry that branches off into all of the towns of that name the world over?
The same question holds true for counties. Should it be:
Jackson County, Michigan-- the specific county and state identifier
Jackson County-- the specific county, but then what do we do if there are multiple states with the same county
or Jackson-- with links off to all entries: Jackson County, Jackson Five, etc.
Or is there some standardized combo that we might try? --User:Trimalchio
Also, I think you will see when you click through on the above city and county links that lead to entries, that we need a standard for City and County Entries as well as for State entries. (this problem continues to inflate)--User:Trimalchio
- My opinion is kill the US States project and start the "US Geography" wikiproject or even just "Geography". Keeping it centralised is easier. We don't need to proliferate projects wildly - the Wikiproject idea is meant to simplify things, not add dozens of unwieldy parameters. MB
Good point. So what would be the levels? Nation, State, County, Municipality (City, Village, Town etc)...--T
- Why don't you make the call. If anyone disagrees with your ideas, I'm sure you'll hear about it. Simon is more involved in this topic than I am, he'd be a good person to discuss it with. MB
--- I am not too sure if that would work. Firstly, there are a few bits of information (e.g. date of admission to Union) which are specific to U.S. states, and the need for them needs to be noted somewhere.
More importantly, countries vary widely in how they are organized -- the U.S. and Australia has states, Canada has provinces, France has Departments, the UK has countries. And the levels of organization below that vary as well. For example, in the U.S. the main substate organization seems to be counties and cities, though Louisiana I think has parishes.
The place I know most about is NSW, Australia, and just going into some detail here will show how complicated things can be, and how much they can differ across the world. In NSW, we have for surveying purposes all sorts of divisions (NSW has Division, County, City/Shire, Parish, Locality), but administratively the main division is the city or shire. Cities are general urban or suburban, and shires are generally rural, but there are also shires (such as the one I live in, Baulkham Hills Shire) which are now largely suburban, but retain the name shire due to their rural past. NSW used to have administrative counties, which administered electrical power, water and sewerage for an area composed of several cities or shires, but they have been replaced by state-run corporatised utilities (e.g. Prospect County Council became Integral Energy). When they did this, they also changed the names and boundaries of the counties, but they no longer have any importance since now they are just a surveying division. Also note that shires in England are counties, but shires in Australia are subdivisions of counties. We also have an geographical entity unique to NSW, the Division. The most heavily populated Eastern part of the state is the Eastern Division, whilst most of the state forms the Western Division. Now both Divisions exist for surveying purposes, but only the Western Division has any administrative structure -- it is headed by the Western Lands Commissioner, whose main functions are to administer leases of government-owned land for agricultural or pastoral purposes, and to act as a local government in those areas too remote or unpopulated to govern themselves.
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