On the Campus - November 18, 1998

Past editions of On the Campus, Online


How about that Bill, folks? Whaddaya think?
Students have opinions about Monicagate, but it's hardly a burning issue

by Nancy Smith '00

As the obligatory "So, how was your summer?" faded like so many tan lines with the start of classes, another question began to spark those brief, flitting, sometimes awkward conversations between last spring's precept commissaries: "So, what do you think about Clinton?" Whether the conversation centered around the sordid details or around the common sentiment of being fed up with the whole story, it was close to impossible to find a student who had nothing to say about it.

Students settling into their seats in Robertson Hall for their first lecture in "Quantitative Analysis and Public Policy" were comparing notes on the televised Clinton testimony, which they'd reluctantly had to turn off in order to go to class. Animated gesticulation and over-authoritative speculation about the downfall of a President had subsumed the casual first-week banter about course-change forms and long lines at the Registrar's office. Granted, the students in this course -- which is a requirement for Woodrow Wilson School majors -- are not a representative sample of all Princeton students, many of whom seem to regard politics as an invasion of Princeton's Gothic "bubble." P.J. Kim, a Class of 2001 Senator, is often called upon to speak for fellow students on political issues. "People tend to think we think more about these issues because it's Princeton," he says. "But in general, students here are pretty apathetic."

It's not 1973

Indeed, the mood on campus this fall has been decidedly different than Brad Swanson '76 described it in this column in November 1973, at the height of the Watergate crisis: "For a while it seemed as though student activism had returned to Princeton. Mass meetings were held to denounce President Nixon. Tables were set up outside Firestone Library and Commons where telegrams could be written to congressmen. One group considered pro-impeachment demonstrations."

If anything, Princeton has behaved like a miniature America during this crisis. Bombarded by bewildering legalese and nauseating details, students are struggling to decide how to deal with the issue. Some change the channel whenever the pundits appear, while others are inspired to debate and discussion by the day's PG-13 headlines. Unlike the political crisis of our parents, generation, "Monicagate" has inspired a quieter, subtler introspection. And despite the absence of Presidential effigies hanging from Nassau Hall, undercurrents of a political identity crisis are evident.

"I'm sick of hearing about it," said sophomore Lauren Hofman. "We don't need to hear so many details." Although she has talked about the Presidential crisis at home with her family, she usually avoids the topic with fellow students. "People have such salient opinions, that it usually turns into a heated discussion."

Jessica Rebel '00, a resident adviser in Forbes College, campaigned for Bill Clinton in 1996 and continues to stand by the President. "I don't think the question should have been asked in the first place. When someone's back is against the wall and they're questioned about their sex life, it's understandable to lie." When asked if she blames an overaggressive media for exaggerating the story, Rebel looks instead to a hypocritical public. "People say the story needs to go away, but they still pay attention. As long as people read about it, the media will report it."

The press as perpetrators

But Dok Harris '01, who also worked on the Clinton campaign in '92 and '96, sees the press as greater perpetrators. "It's been a forcefeed by the media, constantly telling us 'You care, you care.' " Harris sees the Bill-Monica soap opera as almost a nonstory, citing the fact that "half of Americans have had affairs, and they would handle the situation the same way."

Kim, also a member of the College Republicans, thinks the President should resign. "Regardless of whether he had an affair or not, he lied to a lot of people, and now he's in a position where he can't carry out his duties. In many ways, that,s not totally his fault," he concedes. "But in my opinion, there's a lot of other news the country should be focusing on, but isn't."

Ana Hey-Colon continues to ask herself and others why Americans are so obsessed with the Monica story. The freshman from Puerto Rico recalls that when the topic suddenly became the focal point of her freshman seminar, "Privacy in the Age of Information Technology," she and other international students did not "get heated up" like the Americans. "We just don't care that much, and kind of looked at each other across the table."

"It's disgraceful for the whole country," agrees Hofman. And Rebel, who spent the summer taking courses at the Goethe Institut in Germany, recalls discussing the story in class the day that Clinton was called to testify. "There were students there from all over the world," she explains. "People were taking about it -- but mostly just the Americans. The other students were kind of wondering what the big fuss was about."


It's a blasé world out there
Students don't give a fig about Clinton's personal life

by Kruti Trivedi '00

My mission for writing this column was simple -- to find out student opinion about Bill Clinton's recent imbroglio. All I needed was an ear to the ground and a steno pad. Or so I thought. Everywhere I went, I listened carefully. Anytime I heard the words "the President," I sidled closer to the speaker -- one student turned out to be talking about the president of Whig-Clio, another about the president of Triangle Club, and a third was referring to the president of an eating club. So I stopped eavesdropping and instead began to haunt the halls of the Woodrow Wilson School, where so many aspiring politicos also hang out. I was bound to overhear some juicy comments about Clinton.

Under the guise of doing research for a task force on reforming Social Security, I spent many hours trying to detect opinions about the President. But all I heard were opinions on the benefits of individual accounts over joint investing.

Next I went to where I knew students were sure to be discussing Clinton -- a panel on "The Crisis in the Presidency." It seemed simple enough: I'd sit, take a few notes, and interview a few students afterward. My column would be done within the span of an afternoon. Out of the 55-plus people sitting in the section across from me in Dodds Auditorium, there were five students. The other two sections had similarly low student numbers, as did the room downstairs where the panel was being simulcast. We were told 150 alumni were following a "Webcast" of the council -- I'd say that's about five times the number of students who were actually there.

Afterwards, I knew that economics professor Alan Blinder '67 thought Clinton should be let alone so he could concentrate on the Asian financial crisis. I knew politics professor Jennifer Hochschild didn't care what happened, as long as it happened quickly. And I knew politics professor Stephen Holmes was a witty guy who paints vivid images with vibrant words.

But I still didn't know what students thought. Most departed as soon as the professors finished speaking. But I did ask the three sophomores sitting behind me what they thought of Clinton. They said they didn't really think about him. I asked how often his name came up in their various conversations. "Sometimes in the Student Center, people will watch news about Clinton instead of the usual soap operas," one of them reported.

"The day the Starr report came out," one student, a junior, added, "my friends and I all skipped classes to watch Clinton on TV." It would've been a great way to start my column, but that student happened to go to Lehigh University. Another, who had spent her summer at the University of Texas in Austin, offered, "Compared to this summer, I hear people here talk about it much less."

Deadline approaching, I decided to maneuver conversations. At meals, I asked, "So, what do you guys think about Clinton?" Some people gave me weird looks. Some sincerely tried to discuss it, but were distracted by things like dessert and the season premier of Dawson's Creek. Some just laughed.

But after a minute or two, those I was eating with would say they didn't really care and move on to sexier topics, like the Econ 300 problem set and investment-bank recruiting.

I was hitting a pretty good cross section of the Princeton community, but no one was talking.

I decided to take a more direct tact. My new spiel was, "I'm writing a column for the Alumni Weekly on student opinions regarding Clinton. What do you think?" There's something about being interviewed about a matter that suddenly gives it weight.

"As long as his affairs don't affect the stock market, I don't care what he's doing," said one junior-varsity football player over his curly french fries.

"I don't care," said a future architect as she grimaced into her iced tea. "I don't want to know about his sex life."

"Come on, people, get over it," urged an international student who wanted to talk about the Asian crisis.

"No one can condone what he did," said a minority affairs adviser. "He needs to rectify his errant ways."

"I'm very disappointed in him, but I still think he has good policy," said an ardent college Democrat.

"I'd rather have him than that goofy Gore character who wants a 24-hour cable network showing pictures of the Earth," grumbled an equally ardent college Republican.

My findings are as follows: most Princeton students don't seem to care enough about Clinton's recent fortunes unless they are pointedly asked. Why? As one sorority girl explained, "It's like people here just don't have time to care. We have enough in our own lives to interest us and keep us incredibly busy."

Or, as another student said, "If it's between sleeping more than three hours a night and talking about Clinton, I'm going to sleep."

Kruti Trivedi was a Dow Jones Newspaper Fund Reporting Intern at the Seattle Post-Intelligencer this summer.


paw@princeton.edu